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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was with you right up until you suggested the &#8220;if you Product Manager won&#8217;t write, the Documentation Manager should...&#8221;
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Define &#8220;product&#8221; please. Do you mean &#8220;software&#8221;?
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If not then the Product Manager is, ultimately, responsible for the entire product and if he/she fails to provide the inputs the Documentation Manager requires (be they whatever format) then he/she is presuming the product needs no documentation.
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Ok, this is an overly simplistic view but I can envisage the Product Manager quickly catching on to the fact that if they don&#8217;t produce such a document&#8230; hey look the Documentation Manager does it for them!
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Personally, I don&#8217;t have the time and I have plenty of other things my writing team can work on.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was with you right up until you suggested the &#8220;if you Product Manager won&#8217;t write, the Documentation Manager should&#8230;&#8221;
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Define &#8220;product&#8221; please. Do you mean &#8220;software&#8221;?
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If not then the Product Manager is, ultimately, responsible for the entire product and if he/she fails to provide the inputs the Documentation Manager requires (be they whatever format) then he/she is presuming the product needs no documentation.
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Ok, this is an overly simplistic view but I can envisage the Product Manager quickly catching on to the fact that if they don&#8217;t produce such a document&#8230; hey look the Documentation Manager does it for them!
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Personally, I don&#8217;t have the time and I have plenty of other things my writing team can work on.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes Eric, I understood the thrust of your original piece and I sincerely agree. The spec is being abandoned at an alarming rate and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve pointed that out.
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I am glad, however, that you are also considering the &#8216;include the writers&#8217; angle as well because I think this is a significant problem. I have seen how the writers bring that extra voice/perspective into the elaboration - often the user&#8217;s voice to the best of their ability - and it enhances the feature tremendously. Plus, often the writers are the best at distilling the decisions made into a follow-on message that is redistributed through the team to add to the story&#8217;s development.
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I feel that all sides benefit from the writer involvement, and I&#8217;m curious if you publish this article whether there is disagreement.
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Could be interesting ... have fun with it and I&#8217;ll be here to watch/contribute!
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Virginia
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Eric, I understood the thrust of your original piece and I sincerely agree. The spec is being abandoned at an alarming rate and I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve pointed that out.
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I am glad, however, that you are also considering the &#8216;include the writers&#8217; angle as well because I think this is a significant problem. I have seen how the writers bring that extra voice/perspective into the elaboration &#8211; often the user&#8217;s voice to the best of their ability &#8211; and it enhances the feature tremendously. Plus, often the writers are the best at distilling the decisions made into a follow-on message that is redistributed through the team to add to the story&#8217;s development.
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I feel that all sides benefit from the writer involvement, and I&#8217;m curious if you publish this article whether there is disagreement.
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Could be interesting &#8230; have fun with it and I&#8217;ll be here to watch/contribute!
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Virginia</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuhnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kuhnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike,
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You raise some good points about the benefit of a well defined roadmap.&#160; Documentation managers should insist on this point, and a good ARD (Agile Requirements Doc) should map to it.
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Thanks,
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Eric
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,
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You raise some good points about the benefit of a well defined roadmap.&nbsp; Documentation managers should insist on this point, and a good ARD (Agile Requirements Doc) should map to it.
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Thanks,
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Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuhnen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kuhnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Virginia,
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A very thoughtful response.&#160; I agree that writers should be part of the team.&#160; By way of explanation, the thrust of this article is the need for a spec, which some Agilists repudiate as outdated.&#160; The focus of my thoughts was on how such a spec would be written, and so I wasn&#8217;t thinking about team composition.&#160; Your point, though, is a good one and could be the subject of a subsequent article.
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To illustrate your point, I could cite the experience I had with one client who included the Documentation Manager as the focus of a few user stories.&#160; It was remarkable how the design of the product was improved by adding that consideration.&#160; To make this a repeatable event, writers would have to be part of the team from the beginning in order to contribute those stories to the product backlog.
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The more I think about this, the more I like this for an article.&#160; Great suggestion!
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Eric
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia,
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A very thoughtful response.&nbsp; I agree that writers should be part of the team.&nbsp; By way of explanation, the thrust of this article is the need for a spec, which some Agilists repudiate as outdated.&nbsp; The focus of my thoughts was on how such a spec would be written, and so I wasn&#8217;t thinking about team composition.&nbsp; Your point, though, is a good one and could be the subject of a subsequent article.
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To illustrate your point, I could cite the experience I had with one client who included the Documentation Manager as the focus of a few user stories.&nbsp; It was remarkable how the design of the product was improved by adding that consideration.&nbsp; To make this a repeatable event, writers would have to be part of the team from the beginning in order to contribute those stories to the product backlog.
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The more I think about this, the more I like this for an article.&nbsp; Great suggestion!
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Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wethington</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wethington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Virginia:
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I&#8217;m not sure if the presentation will be online (I think that&#8217;s up to the STC) but I am planning on putting a modified (and expanded) version on the web. Probably on this website or on the Agile Alliance website (I&#8217;ll link to it from here).
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It&#8217;s hard to condense 60+ slides into 15 for a 45 minute presentation.
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Mike
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia:
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I&#8217;m not sure if the presentation will be online (I think that&#8217;s up to the STC) but I am planning on putting a modified (and expanded) version on the web. Probably on this website or on the Agile Alliance website (I&#8217;ll link to it from here).
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It&#8217;s hard to condense 60+ slides into 15 for a 45 minute presentation.<br />
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Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike, I haven&#8217;t been reading them, but it&#8217;s good to know you face some of the same issues. Good luck in Philly!
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Will the presentations be available online, do you know?
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Virginia
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I haven&#8217;t been reading them, but it&#8217;s good to know you face some of the same issues. Good luck in Philly!
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Will the presentations be available online, do you know?
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Virginia</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wethington</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wethington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric:
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An excellent article. I think you make a clear and logical case for an Agile requirements document. I especially like your DIY approach when all else fails.
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At my company (a start-up), doc is involved in the process from stage 1, roadmap roll-out. This being said, we often do not get the &#8216;classic&#8217; Agile requirements document for our quarterly release. However, we have been trained (like a puppy getting its nose swatted) to pick up on much of the requirements in our revision planning sessions.
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The culture at my start-up is everything from cocktail napkin specs to good classic Agile design docs. The key to success in either case is for the roadmap to be well defined and the goals/themes of the release be well communicated.
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If you can get those, and if the Dev Manager doesn&#8217;t have them the project is doomed anyway, you have a shot at delivering doc that satisfies the 80 of the 80/20 rule.
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Virginia, it looks like you&#8217;ve been reading my notes for my STC presentation in Philly.
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Mike
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:
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An excellent article. I think you make a clear and logical case for an Agile requirements document. I especially like your DIY approach when all else fails.
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At my company (a start-up), doc is involved in the process from stage 1, roadmap roll-out. This being said, we often do not get the &#8216;classic&#8217; Agile requirements document for our quarterly release. However, we have been trained (like a puppy getting its nose swatted) to pick up on much of the requirements in our revision planning sessions.
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The culture at my start-up is everything from cocktail napkin specs to good classic Agile design docs. The key to success in either case is for the roadmap to be well defined and the goals/themes of the release be well communicated.
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If you can get those, and if the Dev Manager doesn&#8217;t have them the project is doomed anyway, you have a shot at delivering doc that satisfies the 80 of the 80/20 rule.
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Virginia, it looks like you&#8217;ve been reading my notes for my STC presentation in Philly.
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Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://thecontentwrangler.com/2008/03/29/yes_expect_or_write_an_agile_requirements_document/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginia O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eric, again an excellent article, but in my opinion, you&#8217;ve missed one point ... agile teams working on the product storied need to include more than the architect and the developer and the tester - the ideal team involves the writer too (sometimes the marketeer too). This is not a common business practice from what I&#8217;ve seen, don&#8217;t get me wrong. Many companies organize their writers in one team and the development/qa on another - sometimes going so far as to separate them by large distances.
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As a technical writer who works on an agile development team, this old pattern is a big mistake.
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The writers bring far more to the development effort than simply a noisy voice trying to write the end user-facing documentation. When involved in the story from the beginning, they bring a user face to the elaboration of the feature. In the absence of a user-interface expert, the technical writer is often the next best option for input into the screen design (having often worked with a larger scope of the product than the developers themselves).
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Because they are involved in the elaboration, the writers understand the &#8216;why&#8217; of what this feature is about, which drastically improves the quality of the content and moves it from the amateurish attempts of this does this and that does that (plus a glossary and a shortcut key map). Plus, there are fewer questions to ask the developers because the opportunity to understand the feature&#8217;s functionality occurred through elaboration.
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You are spot on with your recommendations to documentation managers, I agree, but the key to a real working agile team is to involve all members of the team - writers included. It&#8217;s the first question I ask when I interview for a job, and I try not to work with or for companies who do not recognize this very crucial detail. The writers are part of the team, not the afterthought.
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Thanks!
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Virginia
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, again an excellent article, but in my opinion, you&#8217;ve missed one point &#8230; agile teams working on the product storied need to include more than the architect and the developer and the tester &#8211; the ideal team involves the writer too (sometimes the marketeer too). This is not a common business practice from what I&#8217;ve seen, don&#8217;t get me wrong. Many companies organize their writers in one team and the development/qa on another &#8211; sometimes going so far as to separate them by large distances.
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As a technical writer who works on an agile development team, this old pattern is a big mistake.
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The writers bring far more to the development effort than simply a noisy voice trying to write the end user-facing documentation. When involved in the story from the beginning, they bring a user face to the elaboration of the feature. In the absence of a user-interface expert, the technical writer is often the next best option for input into the screen design (having often worked with a larger scope of the product than the developers themselves).
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Because they are involved in the elaboration, the writers understand the &#8216;why&#8217; of what this feature is about, which drastically improves the quality of the content and moves it from the amateurish attempts of this does this and that does that (plus a glossary and a shortcut key map). Plus, there are fewer questions to ask the developers because the opportunity to understand the feature&#8217;s functionality occurred through elaboration.
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You are spot on with your recommendations to documentation managers, I agree, but the key to a real working agile team is to involve all members of the team &#8211; writers included. It&#8217;s the first question I ask when I interview for a job, and I try not to work with or for companies who do not recognize this very crucial detail. The writers are part of the team, not the afterthought.
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Thanks!
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Virginia</p>
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